The universal fandom taboo?
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apple_pathwaysBashfic / Character bashing.
It's banned from nearly every fic exchange. It's against the rules in most communities. If you want to speak ill of a show or its characters, you're going to have to start your own comm dedicated specifically for that purpose. Fans are so scared of the ramifications for speaking negatively about a fandom's characters or canon, they retreat to memes where they can bitch about the things they don't like under the cover of anonymity. You'll see "character bashing" listed as a squick alongside cannibalism, incest, and noncon.
Why such a strong reaction?
Of course, despite the overall fandom agreement that character bashing is bad, people can and do bash. It seems like there's at least one dedicated basher in every circle or comm: that person who feels the need to rail against Character X every time their name is mentioned, even if it's only mentioned in passing. That sort of broken record bashing in pernicious and irritating, for sure: in a discussion about fans' enjoyment of Character X, it's grating to have to constantly bat away the vitriol and bile of one or two grudgetastic fans.
But what about the bashing that doesn't happen in the public view? The rants that people post to their own journals, or the fics they write that can be easily skipped if you don't like the writing? I've seen some fans insist character bashing is something they'd like to see warned for, but is that really necessary? After all, I doubt the people writing it admit to themselves that it's bash!fic: one fan's character assassination is another's creative interpretation, after all.
What has me perplexed is not that people dislike character bashing: I don't like to see my favorite characters trampled any more than the next fan. What astounds me is the general opinion (and correct me if I'm misinterpreting it) that character bashing shouldn't exist, or should somehow be contained in radioactive bunkers where it won't risk contaminating the rest of fandom. With all of the unusual/out-there/or edgy ideas that fandoms more or less embrace as a normal and healthy part of the fan experience, why is character bashing so universally loathed? Why does the general fandom rule of "Don't Like, Don't Read" not apply?
Right now, you might be thinking, "What is she going on about? If it's so universally loathed, then why do I see it everywhere?" I would put that down to "Bashing is in the eye of the beholder"; or, put simpler: you can't recognize your own stink. While talking about a character you don't like is simply a critical examination of the canon, the same discussion about your favorite character is bashing. While negative discussion of specific characters/canons/*cough*showrunners might be kosher in one comm, the members will generally agree that "character bashing" (as it pertains to the fandom darlings) is off-limits.
I understand the urge to identify, even overidentify, with the characters in a show. For me, it's part of that murky line that divides the shows/books/movies I enjoy, and those I am a fan of, and it's an enormous part of what makes fandom so enjoyable. I have, in my life, disliked fictional characters enough that the idea of writing a story that punishes them and highlights the aspects of their personality I dislike seems incredibly satisfying. I don't do it, because I make a conscious choice not to focus on the negatives of the canon; I get much more pleasure from the parts I do enjoy. However, I recognize that this is a line I draw for myself, and not a standard that need apply to everyone. You wanna bash? Go for it--I can scroll!
Nearly everyone can agree that the Negative Nellys who just can't resist the urge to slip in a snide remark everytime their least favorite character is mentioned are annoying. But what about the fans who need to "defend" a character's virtue everytime they detect a real or imagined slight? Some fans just cannot psychologically deal with people who disagree with them about how the canon should be interpreted, and the general fandom opinion seems to be that they shouldn't have to. And what I want to know is: why shouldn't they?
(Or am I totally off the mark, and most fans' negative view of character bashing attaches to the wank that it eventually stirs up and not the bashing itself?)
It's banned from nearly every fic exchange. It's against the rules in most communities. If you want to speak ill of a show or its characters, you're going to have to start your own comm dedicated specifically for that purpose. Fans are so scared of the ramifications for speaking negatively about a fandom's characters or canon, they retreat to memes where they can bitch about the things they don't like under the cover of anonymity. You'll see "character bashing" listed as a squick alongside cannibalism, incest, and noncon.
Why such a strong reaction?
Of course, despite the overall fandom agreement that character bashing is bad, people can and do bash. It seems like there's at least one dedicated basher in every circle or comm: that person who feels the need to rail against Character X every time their name is mentioned, even if it's only mentioned in passing. That sort of broken record bashing in pernicious and irritating, for sure: in a discussion about fans' enjoyment of Character X, it's grating to have to constantly bat away the vitriol and bile of one or two grudgetastic fans.
But what about the bashing that doesn't happen in the public view? The rants that people post to their own journals, or the fics they write that can be easily skipped if you don't like the writing? I've seen some fans insist character bashing is something they'd like to see warned for, but is that really necessary? After all, I doubt the people writing it admit to themselves that it's bash!fic: one fan's character assassination is another's creative interpretation, after all.
What has me perplexed is not that people dislike character bashing: I don't like to see my favorite characters trampled any more than the next fan. What astounds me is the general opinion (and correct me if I'm misinterpreting it) that character bashing shouldn't exist, or should somehow be contained in radioactive bunkers where it won't risk contaminating the rest of fandom. With all of the unusual/out-there/or edgy ideas that fandoms more or less embrace as a normal and healthy part of the fan experience, why is character bashing so universally loathed? Why does the general fandom rule of "Don't Like, Don't Read" not apply?
Right now, you might be thinking, "What is she going on about? If it's so universally loathed, then why do I see it everywhere?" I would put that down to "Bashing is in the eye of the beholder"; or, put simpler: you can't recognize your own stink. While talking about a character you don't like is simply a critical examination of the canon, the same discussion about your favorite character is bashing. While negative discussion of specific characters/canons/*cough*showrunners might be kosher in one comm, the members will generally agree that "character bashing" (as it pertains to the fandom darlings) is off-limits.
I understand the urge to identify, even overidentify, with the characters in a show. For me, it's part of that murky line that divides the shows/books/movies I enjoy, and those I am a fan of, and it's an enormous part of what makes fandom so enjoyable. I have, in my life, disliked fictional characters enough that the idea of writing a story that punishes them and highlights the aspects of their personality I dislike seems incredibly satisfying. I don't do it, because I make a conscious choice not to focus on the negatives of the canon; I get much more pleasure from the parts I do enjoy. However, I recognize that this is a line I draw for myself, and not a standard that need apply to everyone. You wanna bash? Go for it--I can scroll!
Nearly everyone can agree that the Negative Nellys who just can't resist the urge to slip in a snide remark everytime their least favorite character is mentioned are annoying. But what about the fans who need to "defend" a character's virtue everytime they detect a real or imagined slight? Some fans just cannot psychologically deal with people who disagree with them about how the canon should be interpreted, and the general fandom opinion seems to be that they shouldn't have to. And what I want to know is: why shouldn't they?
(Or am I totally off the mark, and most fans' negative view of character bashing attaches to the wank that it eventually stirs up and not the bashing itself?)
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Date: 2011-03-02 08:01 pm (UTC)I really don't care if someone doesn't like a character - and if they want to go ahead and say why, that's fine. I'll avoid it if I don't feel up to looking at it that day, or I'll read it as part of a critical discourse about that character's writing or whatever. My problem isn't the people who "bash" a character - it's when they hate that character so much that they cannot take someone responding politely (which, okay, the anti-bashers aren't at all always polite, but I'm going from the personal experience side here, and I always approach responses to character-hate with attempts at calm and reasonable conversation) and questioning their reasons for hating that character. And then it spirals out of control into hate wars, and that's the point where I say look, I get as serious about fandom and characters as the next person, but this is entertainment, and we all need to chill out.
It's when the hate moves from being directed at a fictional character to being directed at someone who disagrees with the basher's negative view of that character (or, at the basher) that I have a problem.
So in conclusion: I don't think you're off the mark. I think for plenty of people in fandom the problem IS the bashing itself. For me, and for a few other people I know, at least, it's the language of bashing (the slut-shaming, the ship-warring, etc) and the way it so quickly moves from any sort of forward-thinking discussion to an all out hate-fest. :(
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Date: 2011-03-03 01:25 am (UTC)There's all kinds of discussion!fails on the internet. (It's why I'm glad to have such a sane, intelligent, and overall awesome flist to discuss things with!) I understand hating character bashing, especially for the wank it stirs up. But I was on another comm today where someone was talking about a fan "speaking out" against character bashing, and I thought: whuh? Is character bashing really something one must "speak out" against? I can see speaking out against the content of the bashing if its racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc: but character bashing in and of itself?
I'm just trying to understand where this comes from!